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    Startar inte.........

    Tjena
    Körde in hojen i garaget igår och stängde den som vanligt.
    Idag så går tändningen på men sen vill den inte starta.
    Batteriet e ok.
    Lampor lyser som de ska.
    Bensinpumpen går igång.
    Tutan funkar.
    Power commandern lyser INTE upp som den ska.
    Med power commandern bortkopplad startar den fortfarande inte.
    Startmotorn drar INTE runt.
    Säkringarna verkar ok.
    Relä vetifan, de är tysta iaf.

    Några tankar?

    Lars

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    Glapp i start kontakten styret, tjuvkoppla den på startmotorn för att se om den drar.

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    Men normalt när jag vrider om startkontakten på tanken så startar Powercommandern upp direkt, det gör den inte nu.
    Dödarknappen?

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    tändlås,dödarknapp eller brytare vid stödet....borde vara en av dom som strular.

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    Stöldskyddet?

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    Citat Ursprungligen postat av NickeR Visa inlägg
    tändlås,dödarknapp eller brytare vid stödet....borde vara en av dom som strular.
    Brytare vid stödet?
    Inte på min iaf.
    Tack ändå

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    Stöldskyddet?
    Har ingen tssm modul. men en slags startspärr känns det som.

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    uppdatering:
    Dödarknappen är hel.

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    Kollat jordkabeln så att det kontaktar ordentligt??

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    Kollat jordkabeln så att det kontaktar ordentligt??
    Har kollat de kontakter jag vet om, dvs den från batteriet och övrigt uppe under sadeln.
    Där sitter 2 jordpunkter som är ok.

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    Can you read out the diagnostic error codes ?????

    04-07 Harley Davidson Motorcycles


    These apply to 04 and later bikes with the serial bus.

    The IM (instrument module) is capable of displaying DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes).
    Speedometer Self Diagnostics: The speedometer is capable of displaying and clearing speedometer, tachometer, TSM/TSSM and ICM/ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC).

    1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.

    2- Push odometer reset button in & hold.

    3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word “diag” should then appear.

    4 - Push the odometer reset button once and you will see the selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.

    5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the odometer reset button one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)
    P = ECM/ICM (Electronic Control Module [EFI] / Ignition Control Module [Carbureted)
    S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Turn Signal Security Module)
    SP = speedometer
    T = tachometer

    6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the odometer reset button in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC’s the code will be displayed or the word “none” will appear if there are no DTC’s. Push the odometer reset button again to view additional codes if they exist.

    7 - Record the codes.

    8 - If DTC’s are not to be cleared, Press and release the odometer reset button. Part number of module will be displayed.
    NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the odometer reset button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the odometer reset button. Turn OFF the ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC’s again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.

    9 – Press and release the odometer reset button to continue to the next module.

    10 – Turn Ignition switch to OFF.

    On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

    "No Rsp" will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

    Also if the code set is a historic code (not a constant light) after 50 start and run cycles of at least 30 seconds each in duration, the light will extinguish itself as long as the error hasn't occurred again.
    If it were a current code, the light would remain lit while running.

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    DTC FAULT CONDITION MODULE

    "BUS Er" Serial data bus shorted/low/open/high
    B0563 Battery Voltage High TSM/TSSM
    B1004 Fuel Level Sending Unit Low Instruments
    B1005 Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open Instruments
    B1006 Accessory Line Over voltage Instruments
    B1007 Ignition Line Over voltage Instruments
    B1008 Reset Switch Closed Instruments
    B1122 Right turn output fault
    B1125 (HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery.
    B1131 Alarm Output Low TSM/TSSM
    B1132 Alarm Output High TSM/TSSM
    B1134 Starter Output High TSM/TSSM
    B1135 Accelerometer Fault TSM/TSSM
    B1141 Ignition switch open/low
    B1151 Sidecar BAS Low TSM/TSSM
    B1152 Sidecar BAS High TSM/TSSM
    B1153 Sidecar BAS Out of Range TSM/TSSM
    P0106 MAP Sensor Rate of Range Error Carb
    P0107 Map Sensor Failed Open/Low Carb
    P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low EFI
    P0108 Map Sensor Failed High Carb
    P0108 Map Sensor High EFI
    P0112 IAT Sensor Voltage Low EFI
    P0113 IAT Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
    P0117 ET Sensor Voltage Low EFI
    P0118 ET Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
    P0122 TP Sensor Open/Low EFI
    P0123 TP Sensor High EFI
    P0131 Front 02 sensor low (lean)
    P0132 Engine running rich
    P0134 Front 02 sensor open/not responding
    P0151 Rear 02 sensor low (lean)
    P0152 Rear 02 sensor high (rich)
    P0154 Rear 02 sensor open/not responding
    P0261 Front Injector Open/Low EFI
    P0262 Front Injector High EFI
    P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low EFI
    P0264 Rear Injector High EFI
    P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent Carb
    P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent EFI
    P0374 CKP Sensor Not Detected Carb
    P0374 CKP Sensor Sync Error EFI
    P0501 VSS Low Carb
    P0501 VSS Low EFI
    P0502 VSS High/Open Carb
    P0502 VSS High/Open EFI
    P0505 Loss of Idle Speed Control EFI
    P0562 Battery Voltage Low Carb
    P0562 Battery Voltage Low EFI
    P0563 Battery Voltage High Carb
    P0563 Battery Voltage High EFI
    P0602 Calibration Memory Error Carb
    P0603 EEPROM Failure Carb
    P0603 ECM EEPROM Error EFI
    P0604 RAM Failure Carb
    P0605 Program Memory Error Carb
    P0605 ECM Flash Error EFI
    P0607 Converter Error Carb
    P0661 Intake solenoid low/open
    P0662 Intake solenoid high/shorted
    P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low EFI
    P1002 System relay Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1003 System relay Contacts Open EFI
    P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed EFI
    P1009 Incorrect Password Carb
    P1009 Incorrect Password EFI
    P1010 Missing Password Carb
    P1010 Missing Password EFI
    P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low Carb
    P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low EFI
    P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
    P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1353 Front Cylinder No Combustion EFI
    P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low Carb
    P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low EFI
    P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
    P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion EFI
    P1357 Intermittent Secondary Front EFI
    P1358 Intermittent Secondary Rear EFI
    U1016 Loss of ICM/ECM Serial Data Instruments
    U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data, Vehicle Speed, Vehicle Inhibit Motion or Power train Security Status TSM/TSSM
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Carb
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data EFI
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Instruments
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data Carb
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data EFI
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data TSM/TSSM
    U1255 Missing Message at Speedometer EFI
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message EFI
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message Instruments
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message TSM/TSSM
    U1300 Serial Data Low Carb
    U1300 Serial Data Low EFI
    U1300 Serial Data Low Instruments
    U1300 Serial Data Low TSM/TSSM.
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High Carb
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High EFI
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High Instruments
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High TSM/TSSM


    2006 models with 02 sensors (Dynas)

    P0131 Front 02 sensor lean for any length of time
    P0151 Rear 02 sensor lean for any length of time
    Above codes can also be set if 02 sensor fails.

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    Can you read out the Diagnostic Error Codes ??

    These apply to 04 and later bikes with the serial bus.

    The IM (instrument module) is capable of displaying DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes).
    Speedometer Self Diagnostics: The speedometer is capable of displaying and clearing speedometer, tachometer, TSM/TSSM and ICM/ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC).

    1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.

    2- Push odometer reset button in & hold.

    3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word “diag” should then appear.

    4 - Push the odometer reset button once and you will see the selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.

    5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the odometer reset button one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)
    P = ECM/ICM (Electronic Control Module [EFI] / Ignition Control Module [Carbureted)
    S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Turn Signal Security Module)
    SP = speedometer
    T = tachometer

    6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the odometer reset button in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC’s the code will be displayed or the word “none” will appear if there are no DTC’s. Push the odometer reset button again to view additional codes if they exist.

    7 - Record the codes.

    8 - If DTC’s are not to be cleared, Press and release the odometer reset button. Part number of module will be displayed.
    NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the odometer reset button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the odometer reset button. Turn OFF the ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC’s again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.

    9 – Press and release the odometer reset button to continue to the next module.

    10 – Turn Ignition switch to OFF.

    On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

    "No Rsp" will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

    Also if the code set is a historic code (not a constant light) after 50 start and run cycles of at least 30 seconds each in duration, the light will extinguish itself as long as the error hasn't occurred again.
    If it were a current code, the light would remain lit while running.

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    DTC FAULT CONDITION MODULE

    "BUS Er" Serial data bus shorted/low/open/high
    B0563 Battery Voltage High TSM/TSSM
    B1004 Fuel Level Sending Unit Low Instruments
    B1005 Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open Instruments
    B1006 Accessory Line Over voltage Instruments
    B1007 Ignition Line Over voltage Instruments
    B1008 Reset Switch Closed Instruments
    B1122 Right turn output fault
    B1125 (HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery.
    B1131 Alarm Output Low TSM/TSSM
    B1132 Alarm Output High TSM/TSSM
    B1134 Starter Output High TSM/TSSM
    B1135 Accelerometer Fault TSM/TSSM
    B1141 Ignition switch open/low
    B1151 Sidecar BAS Low TSM/TSSM
    B1152 Sidecar BAS High TSM/TSSM
    B1153 Sidecar BAS Out of Range TSM/TSSM
    P0106 MAP Sensor Rate of Range Error Carb
    P0107 Map Sensor Failed Open/Low Carb
    P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low EFI
    P0108 Map Sensor Failed High Carb
    P0108 Map Sensor High EFI
    P0112 IAT Sensor Voltage Low EFI
    P0113 IAT Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
    P0117 ET Sensor Voltage Low EFI
    P0118 ET Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
    P0122 TP Sensor Open/Low EFI
    P0123 TP Sensor High EFI
    P0131 Front 02 sensor low (lean)
    P0132 Engine running rich
    P0134 Front 02 sensor open/not responding
    P0151 Rear 02 sensor low (lean)
    P0152 Rear 02 sensor high (rich)
    P0154 Rear 02 sensor open/not responding
    P0261 Front Injector Open/Low EFI
    P0262 Front Injector High EFI
    P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low EFI
    P0264 Rear Injector High EFI
    P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent Carb
    P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent EFI
    P0374 CKP Sensor Not Detected Carb
    P0374 CKP Sensor Sync Error EFI
    P0501 VSS Low Carb
    P0501 VSS Low EFI
    P0502 VSS High/Open Carb
    P0502 VSS High/Open EFI
    P0505 Loss of Idle Speed Control EFI
    P0562 Battery Voltage Low Carb
    P0562 Battery Voltage Low EFI
    P0563 Battery Voltage High Carb
    P0563 Battery Voltage High EFI
    P0602 Calibration Memory Error Carb
    P0603 EEPROM Failure Carb
    P0603 ECM EEPROM Error EFI
    P0604 RAM Failure Carb
    P0605 Program Memory Error Carb
    P0605 ECM Flash Error EFI
    P0607 Converter Error Carb
    P0661 Intake solenoid low/open
    P0662 Intake solenoid high/shorted
    P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low EFI
    P1002 System relay Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1003 System relay Contacts Open EFI
    P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed EFI
    P1009 Incorrect Password Carb
    P1009 Incorrect Password EFI
    P1010 Missing Password Carb
    P1010 Missing Password EFI
    P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low Carb
    P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low EFI
    P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
    P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1353 Front Cylinder No Combustion EFI
    P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low Carb
    P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low EFI
    P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
    P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
    P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion EFI
    P1357 Intermittent Secondary Front EFI
    P1358 Intermittent Secondary Rear EFI
    U1016 Loss of ICM/ECM Serial Data Instruments
    U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data, Vehicle Speed, Vehicle Inhibit Motion or Power train Security Status TSM/TSSM
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Carb
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data EFI
    U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Instruments
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data Carb
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data EFI
    U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data TSM/TSSM
    U1255 Missing Message at Speedometer EFI
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message EFI
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message Instruments
    U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message TSM/TSSM
    U1300 Serial Data Low Carb
    U1300 Serial Data Low EFI
    U1300 Serial Data Low Instruments
    U1300 Serial Data Low TSM/TSSM.
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High Carb
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High EFI
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High Instruments
    U1301 Serial Data Open/High TSM/TSSM


    2006 models with 02 sensors (Dynas)

    P0131 Front 02 sensor lean for any length of time
    P0151 Rear 02 sensor lean for any length of time
    Above codes can also be set if 02 sensor fails.

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    OK ok, börja med något enkelt ... byta batteriet in alarm fob


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    Sorry BB men det funkar inte på min.
    Det är en 2003:a och funkar inte riktigt så.
    Jag har förresten en TSM modul istället för en TSSM, men den är "gift" med hojen för 2 år sen och har funkat bra innan.
    Tippsensorn i TSM modulen förresten, stänger den all ström eller bara bensinpumpen?

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    Då satsar jag 2 cent på TSM modulen?
    Funkar blikers?

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    Citat Ursprungligen postat av Raven Visa inlägg
    Då satsar jag 2 cent på TSM modulen?
    Funkar blikers?
    japp

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    Hmmm
    Kan det vara systemreläet???
    Strömmen till ecm:en verkar gå genom det.

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    Har du kollat att kablarna vid batteriet sitter ordentligt fast? De kan ju vibrerat loss lite granna. Hade det problemet med min sportster och då funkade sakerna (blinkers och ljus) ända tills momentet starta hojen (startmotorn gav inte ifrån sig det minsta ljud). Då var de sakerna stendöda. Så jag fick helt enkelt dra åt polerna lite mer. Jag har provat nu med att sätta fast "vågiga brickor" vid mina batteripoler, för att se om det motverkar mitt "döda problem".
    Kan ju vara en sak att titta på... Men inte säkert att det är felet, dock värt att kolla upp om det inte är enklare än man förutspår.


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    Prova och ta bort den gröna kablen på start solenoiden och dra en kabel direkt från batteriets pluspol till starten och se ifall den snurrar runt då. Går den runt då så kolla upp så startreläet drar.

    Kolla ifall säkringen märkt IGN är hel. Den matar strömmen genom stoppknappen som sedan går till start kontakten som skickar ner strömmen till startreläet.
    Senast redigerat av Pulare den 2012-08-13 klockan 15:56.

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    Yihaaaaaaaaaaa
    Nu e fanskapet igång igen.
    Den grå kabeln från dödarknappen hade glidit ur deutzkontakten under tanken.
    Så, nu har allt varit isär och lagats.
    Fan va skönt!!!
    Grymt konstigt att en sån grej bara händer så.

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    Citat Ursprungligen postat av Lars Nilsson Visa inlägg
    Yihaaaaaaaaaaa
    Nu e fanskapet igång igen.
    Den grå kabeln från dödarknappen hade glidit ur deutzkontakten under tanken.
    Så, nu har allt varit isär och lagats.
    Fan va skönt!!!
    Grymt konstigt att en sån grej bara händer så.

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