Startar inte.........

[Lars Nilsson]

Tjena
Körde in hojen i garaget igår och stängde den som vanligt.
Idag så går tändningen på men sen vill den inte starta.
Batteriet e ok.
Lampor lyser som de ska.
Bensinpumpen går igång.
Tutan funkar.
Power commandern lyser INTE upp som den ska.
Med power commandern bortkopplad startar den fortfarande inte.
Startmotorn drar INTE runt.
Säkringarna verkar ok.
Relä vetifan, de är tysta iaf.

Några tankar?

Lars

[Lasse.S]

Glapp i start kontakten styret, tjuvkoppla den på startmotorn för att se om den drar.

[Lars Nilsson]

Men normalt när jag vrider om startkontakten på tanken så startar Powercommandern upp direkt, det gör den inte nu.
Dödarknappen?

[NickeR]

tändlås,dödarknapp eller brytare vid stödet....borde vara en av dom som strular.

[Raven]

Stöldskyddet?

[Lars Nilsson]

tändlås,dödarknapp eller brytare vid stödet....borde vara en av dom som strular.

Brytare vid stödet?
Inte på min iaf.
Tack ändå

- - - Uppdaterad - - -


Stöldskyddet?

Har ingen tssm modul. men en slags startspärr känns det som.

[Lars Nilsson]

uppdatering:
Dödarknappen är hel.

[NickeR]

Kollat jordkabeln så att det kontaktar ordentligt??

[Lars Nilsson]

Kollat jordkabeln så att det kontaktar ordentligt??

Har kollat de kontakter jag vet om, dvs den från batteriet och övrigt uppe under sadeln.
Där sitter 2 jordpunkter som är ok.

[Bikebandit]

Can you read out the diagnostic error codes ?????

04-07 Harley Davidson Motorcycles


These apply to 04 and later bikes with the serial bus.

The IM (instrument module) is capable of displaying DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes).
Speedometer Self Diagnostics: The speedometer is capable of displaying and clearing speedometer, tachometer, TSM/TSSM and ICM/ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC).

1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.

2- Push odometer reset button in & hold.

3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word “diag” should then appear.

4 - Push the odometer reset button once and you will see the selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.

5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the odometer reset button one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)
P = ECM/ICM (Electronic Control Module [EFI] / Ignition Control Module [Carbureted)
S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Turn Signal Security Module)
SP = speedometer
T = tachometer

6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the odometer reset button in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC’s the code will be displayed or the word “none” will appear if there are no DTC’s. Push the odometer reset button again to view additional codes if they exist.

7 - Record the codes.

8 - If DTC’s are not to be cleared, Press and release the odometer reset button. Part number of module will be displayed.
NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the odometer reset button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the odometer reset button. Turn OFF the ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC’s again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.

9 – Press and release the odometer reset button to continue to the next module.

10 – Turn Ignition switch to OFF.

On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

"No Rsp" will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

Also if the code set is a historic code (not a constant light) after 50 start and run cycles of at least 30 seconds each in duration, the light will extinguish itself as long as the error hasn't occurred again.
If it were a current code, the light would remain lit while running.

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DTC FAULT CONDITION MODULE

"BUS Er" Serial data bus shorted/low/open/high
B0563 Battery Voltage High TSM/TSSM
B1004 Fuel Level Sending Unit Low Instruments
B1005 Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open Instruments
B1006 Accessory Line Over voltage Instruments
B1007 Ignition Line Over voltage Instruments
B1008 Reset Switch Closed Instruments
B1122 Right turn output fault
B1125 (HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery.
B1131 Alarm Output Low TSM/TSSM
B1132 Alarm Output High TSM/TSSM
B1134 Starter Output High TSM/TSSM
B1135 Accelerometer Fault TSM/TSSM
B1141 Ignition switch open/low
B1151 Sidecar BAS Low TSM/TSSM
B1152 Sidecar BAS High TSM/TSSM
B1153 Sidecar BAS Out of Range TSM/TSSM
P0106 MAP Sensor Rate of Range Error Carb
P0107 Map Sensor Failed Open/Low Carb
P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low EFI
P0108 Map Sensor Failed High Carb
P0108 Map Sensor High EFI
P0112 IAT Sensor Voltage Low EFI
P0113 IAT Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
P0117 ET Sensor Voltage Low EFI
P0118 ET Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
P0122 TP Sensor Open/Low EFI
P0123 TP Sensor High EFI
P0131 Front 02 sensor low (lean)
P0132 Engine running rich
P0134 Front 02 sensor open/not responding
P0151 Rear 02 sensor low (lean)
P0152 Rear 02 sensor high (rich)
P0154 Rear 02 sensor open/not responding
P0261 Front Injector Open/Low EFI
P0262 Front Injector High EFI
P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low EFI
P0264 Rear Injector High EFI
P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent Carb
P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent EFI
P0374 CKP Sensor Not Detected Carb
P0374 CKP Sensor Sync Error EFI
P0501 VSS Low Carb
P0501 VSS Low EFI
P0502 VSS High/Open Carb
P0502 VSS High/Open EFI
P0505 Loss of Idle Speed Control EFI
P0562 Battery Voltage Low Carb
P0562 Battery Voltage Low EFI
P0563 Battery Voltage High Carb
P0563 Battery Voltage High EFI
P0602 Calibration Memory Error Carb
P0603 EEPROM Failure Carb
P0603 ECM EEPROM Error EFI
P0604 RAM Failure Carb
P0605 Program Memory Error Carb
P0605 ECM Flash Error EFI
P0607 Converter Error Carb
P0661 Intake solenoid low/open
P0662 Intake solenoid high/shorted
P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low EFI
P1002 System relay Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1003 System relay Contacts Open EFI
P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed EFI
P1009 Incorrect Password Carb
P1009 Incorrect Password EFI
P1010 Missing Password Carb
P1010 Missing Password EFI
P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low Carb
P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low EFI
P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1353 Front Cylinder No Combustion EFI
P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low Carb
P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low EFI
P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion EFI
P1357 Intermittent Secondary Front EFI
P1358 Intermittent Secondary Rear EFI
U1016 Loss of ICM/ECM Serial Data Instruments
U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data, Vehicle Speed, Vehicle Inhibit Motion or Power train Security Status TSM/TSSM
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Carb
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data EFI
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Instruments
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data Carb
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data EFI
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data TSM/TSSM
U1255 Missing Message at Speedometer EFI
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message EFI
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message Instruments
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message TSM/TSSM
U1300 Serial Data Low Carb
U1300 Serial Data Low EFI
U1300 Serial Data Low Instruments
U1300 Serial Data Low TSM/TSSM.
U1301 Serial Data Open/High Carb
U1301 Serial Data Open/High EFI
U1301 Serial Data Open/High Instruments
U1301 Serial Data Open/High TSM/TSSM


2006 models with 02 sensors (Dynas)

P0131 Front 02 sensor lean for any length of time
P0151 Rear 02 sensor lean for any length of time
Above codes can also be set if 02 sensor fails.

[Bikebandit]

Can you read out the Diagnostic Error Codes ??

These apply to 04 and later bikes with the serial bus.

The IM (instrument module) is capable of displaying DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes).
Speedometer Self Diagnostics: The speedometer is capable of displaying and clearing speedometer, tachometer, TSM/TSSM and ICM/ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC).

1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.

2- Push odometer reset button in & hold.

3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word “diag” should then appear.

4 - Push the odometer reset button once and you will see the selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.

5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the odometer reset button one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)
P = ECM/ICM (Electronic Control Module [EFI] / Ignition Control Module [Carbureted)
S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Turn Signal Security Module)
SP = speedometer
T = tachometer

6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the odometer reset button in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC’s the code will be displayed or the word “none” will appear if there are no DTC’s. Push the odometer reset button again to view additional codes if they exist.

7 - Record the codes.

8 - If DTC’s are not to be cleared, Press and release the odometer reset button. Part number of module will be displayed.
NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the odometer reset button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the odometer reset button. Turn OFF the ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC’s again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.

9 – Press and release the odometer reset button to continue to the next module.

10 – Turn Ignition switch to OFF.

On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

"No Rsp" will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

Also if the code set is a historic code (not a constant light) after 50 start and run cycles of at least 30 seconds each in duration, the light will extinguish itself as long as the error hasn't occurred again.
If it were a current code, the light would remain lit while running.

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DTC FAULT CONDITION MODULE

"BUS Er" Serial data bus shorted/low/open/high
B0563 Battery Voltage High TSM/TSSM
B1004 Fuel Level Sending Unit Low Instruments
B1005 Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open Instruments
B1006 Accessory Line Over voltage Instruments
B1007 Ignition Line Over voltage Instruments
B1008 Reset Switch Closed Instruments
B1122 Right turn output fault
B1125 (HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery.
B1131 Alarm Output Low TSM/TSSM
B1132 Alarm Output High TSM/TSSM
B1134 Starter Output High TSM/TSSM
B1135 Accelerometer Fault TSM/TSSM
B1141 Ignition switch open/low
B1151 Sidecar BAS Low TSM/TSSM
B1152 Sidecar BAS High TSM/TSSM
B1153 Sidecar BAS Out of Range TSM/TSSM
P0106 MAP Sensor Rate of Range Error Carb
P0107 Map Sensor Failed Open/Low Carb
P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low EFI
P0108 Map Sensor Failed High Carb
P0108 Map Sensor High EFI
P0112 IAT Sensor Voltage Low EFI
P0113 IAT Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
P0117 ET Sensor Voltage Low EFI
P0118 ET Sensor Voltage Open/High EFI
P0122 TP Sensor Open/Low EFI
P0123 TP Sensor High EFI
P0131 Front 02 sensor low (lean)
P0132 Engine running rich
P0134 Front 02 sensor open/not responding
P0151 Rear 02 sensor low (lean)
P0152 Rear 02 sensor high (rich)
P0154 Rear 02 sensor open/not responding
P0261 Front Injector Open/Low EFI
P0262 Front Injector High EFI
P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low EFI
P0264 Rear Injector High EFI
P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent Carb
P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent EFI
P0374 CKP Sensor Not Detected Carb
P0374 CKP Sensor Sync Error EFI
P0501 VSS Low Carb
P0501 VSS Low EFI
P0502 VSS High/Open Carb
P0502 VSS High/Open EFI
P0505 Loss of Idle Speed Control EFI
P0562 Battery Voltage Low Carb
P0562 Battery Voltage Low EFI
P0563 Battery Voltage High Carb
P0563 Battery Voltage High EFI
P0602 Calibration Memory Error Carb
P0603 EEPROM Failure Carb
P0603 ECM EEPROM Error EFI
P0604 RAM Failure Carb
P0605 Program Memory Error Carb
P0605 ECM Flash Error EFI
P0607 Converter Error Carb
P0661 Intake solenoid low/open
P0662 Intake solenoid high/shorted
P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low EFI
P1002 System relay Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1003 System relay Contacts Open EFI
P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed EFI
P1009 Incorrect Password Carb
P1009 Incorrect Password EFI
P1010 Missing Password Carb
P1010 Missing Password EFI
P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low Carb
P1351 Front Ignition Open/Low EFI
P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
P1352 Front Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1353 Front Cylinder No Combustion EFI
P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low Carb
P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Open/Low EFI
P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted Carb
P1355 Rear Ignition Coil High/Shorted EFI
P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion EFI
P1357 Intermittent Secondary Front EFI
P1358 Intermittent Secondary Rear EFI
U1016 Loss of ICM/ECM Serial Data Instruments
U1016 Loss of ECM Serial Data, Vehicle Speed, Vehicle Inhibit Motion or Power train Security Status TSM/TSSM
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Carb
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data EFI
U1064 Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data Instruments
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data Carb
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data EFI
U1097 Loss of Speedometer Serial data TSM/TSSM
U1255 Missing Message at Speedometer EFI
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message EFI
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message Instruments
U1255 Serial Data Error/Missing Message TSM/TSSM
U1300 Serial Data Low Carb
U1300 Serial Data Low EFI
U1300 Serial Data Low Instruments
U1300 Serial Data Low TSM/TSSM.
U1301 Serial Data Open/High Carb
U1301 Serial Data Open/High EFI
U1301 Serial Data Open/High Instruments
U1301 Serial Data Open/High TSM/TSSM


2006 models with 02 sensors (Dynas)

P0131 Front 02 sensor lean for any length of time
P0151 Rear 02 sensor lean for any length of time
Above codes can also be set if 02 sensor fails.

[Bikebandit]

OK ok, börja med något enkelt ... byta batteriet in alarm fob :I:

http://www.surdyke.com/hdimg/68926-00.jpg

[Lars Nilsson]

Sorry BB men det funkar inte på min.
Det är en 2003:a och funkar inte riktigt så.
Jag har förresten en TSM modul istället för en TSSM, men den är "gift" med hojen för 2 år sen och har funkat bra innan.
Tippsensorn i TSM modulen förresten, stänger den all ström eller bara bensinpumpen?

[Raven]

Då satsar jag 2 cent på TSM modulen?
Funkar blikers?

[Lars Nilsson]

Då satsar jag 2 cent på TSM modulen?
Funkar blikers?

japp

[Lars Nilsson]

Hmmm
Kan det vara systemreläet???
Strömmen till ecm:en verkar gå genom det.

[Sanniz]

Har du kollat att kablarna vid batteriet sitter ordentligt fast? De kan ju vibrerat loss lite granna. Hade det problemet med min sportster och då funkade sakerna (blinkers och ljus) ända tills momentet starta hojen (startmotorn gav inte ifrån sig det minsta ljud). Då var de sakerna stendöda. Så jag fick helt enkelt dra åt polerna lite mer. Jag har provat nu med att sätta fast "vågiga brickor" vid mina batteripoler, för att se om det motverkar mitt "döda problem".
Kan ju vara en sak att titta på... Men inte säkert att det är felet, dock värt att kolla upp om det inte är enklare än man förutspår.

[Pulare]

Prova och ta bort den gröna kablen på start solenoiden och dra en kabel direkt från batteriets pluspol till starten och se ifall den snurrar runt då. Går den runt då så kolla upp så startreläet drar.

Kolla ifall säkringen märkt IGN är hel. Den matar strömmen genom stoppknappen som sedan går till start kontakten som skickar ner strömmen till startreläet.

[Lars Nilsson]

Yihaaaaaaaaaaa
Nu e fanskapet igång igen.
Den grå kabeln från dödarknappen hade glidit ur deutzkontakten under tanken.
Så, nu har allt varit isär och lagats.
Fan va skönt!!!
Grymt konstigt att en sån grej bara händer så.

[Pulare]

Yihaaaaaaaaaaa
Nu e fanskapet igång igen.
Den grå kabeln från dödarknappen hade glidit ur deutzkontakten under tanken.
Så, nu har allt varit isär och lagats.
Fan va skönt!!!
Grymt konstigt att en sån grej bara händer så.

thb;

[xbones]

Gött o läsa Larsthb; Att dom inte har kontakter som inte kan lossna av sej självfrv;

[Raven]

Yihaaaaaaaaaaa
Nu e fanskapet igång igen.
Den grå kabeln från dödarknappen hade glidit ur deutzkontakten under tanken.
Så, nu har allt varit isär och lagats.
Fan va skönt!!!
Grymt konstigt att en sån grej bara händer så.

Nice att höra, å inga dyra prylar att behöva kasta slantarna på. thb;
Gissar att du varit där och pillat på kontakterna tidigare vid tex styr byte.
Så ett litet finger har du nog med i spelet :-*

[NickeR]

Härligt att det löste sig....det är ju lite sommarvärme kvar,så ut och åk bara MPD;

[JohnnyRocker]

Så ett litet finger har du nog med i spelet :-* Second that :D

Spännande som fan att följa och skönt att den rullar igen.

ro;

[Lars Nilsson]

Javisst har man varit på den jäkla kontakten.
För 1,5 år sen bytte jag till aphäng och fick skaffa längre kablar.
Grejen med de här Deutzkontakterna är att kablarna är svåra som fan att få att sitta hundra rätt.
Nu satte jag bara ihopa det ordentligt, men till vintern blir det till att korta kablarna och lödda ihopa dem, en och en och sen krympslang över.
Nu hade jag ingen krympslang så det fick bli så här så länge.
Tack alla för stöd o support.